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Ben Burlingham

While I agree with most of what you said, you got the Titus quote wrong, so you should not try to support your argument with it. That passage teaches the opposite of what you argue. The Apostle Paul actually AGREED that all Cretans are lazy and seek sordid gain, and that is why they should be reproved. Here is the full quote:

Titus 1: 10 For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain. 12 One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13 This testimony is true. For this reason reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith,.

Shane Kastler

I disagree with your interpretation. If Paul really thought "ALL CRETANS are ALWAYS liars, evil beasts, and lazy gluttons." Then why did he command Titus to appoint CRETANS as elders in the church in vs. 5? While this passage is disputed by many, your view would make Paul very inconsistent, not to mention a racist against Cretans (and we know he was not). In vs. 13 when he says, "This testimony is true." He is talking about the testimony he heard about the false prophets who said, "All Cretans as liars..." Crete was rampant with sin. But not ALL Cretans were this way. Some were saved and became elders in the church..... Contextually speaking, vs. 10-12 are referring to false prophets (empty talkers who must be silenced). This includes vs. 12 "a prophet of their own" -- Whose own? The circumcision's false prophets. And what was he saying that must be silenced? "All Cretans are liars, etc." Something Paul clearly disagreed with based on vs. 5 and following.


There is much I could say. But I'll just say I can't believe you are actually someone's pastor.

Your comments are not even worthy of any serious response.

P Scott Rayburn

looks like you Judge people even more than the SBC... Watch the video of the resolution as was presented and when voted on. Truth in the Video evidence.


Thanks for posting the TRUTH. Many believers are moving away from the SBC cooperative churches. Long overdue. My wife and I walked out last week. no turning back....no turning back....!! God bless you for exposing the leftist rot within the churches ranks. Now we can serve Christ again....With out being told we're racists...just because.

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