"The Narrow Road": Blogs By Shane Kastler

Priscilla & Aquila: Behind the Scenes Servants of Christ

By Shane Kastler

You might assume that the primary people God uses are those in public ministry, but that is not the case. It is not primarily pastors, evangelists, missionaries, or denominational leaders that God uses. It is primarily those who do not serve in vocational ministry at all. One such example from Scripture is the married couple, Priscilla and Aquila.

The Bible tells us that this couple had to flee their home in Rome due to the persecution that broke out under Claudius Caesar (Acts 18:1-3). All Jews and Christians were expelled from the city, and Priscilla and Aquila made their way to Corinth. While there, they met and teamed up with the Apostle Paul. At first Paul worked with them, because they were all “tent makers” a common trade in the first century. Eventually, Paul began devoting himself completely to ministry, while Priscilla and Aquila continued to work their trade while also supporting and serving the church.

The three of them eventually moved on to Ephesus, where Priscilla and Aquila continued their quiet, yet effective ministry. On one occasion, a very eloquent preacher named Apollos came on the scene. Priscilla and Aquila heard him preach accurately, but incompletely. He was only aware of Christian teaching, up to the baptism of John. In other words he knew nothing of the earthly life of Jesus, his miracles, the cross, the resurrection, or the ascension. The Bible says, “they took him aside and explained the way of God more accurately.” (Acts 18:26) Apollos gladly received the correction and continued to serve the church in a public role. Priscilla and Aquila remained behind the scenes, but their influence was widely felt as they helped disciple a man who would go on to be greatly used of God in preaching and defending the faith.

Christianity is all about knowing Christ. And once you know Christ in a saving way, then you should devote your life to serving him. This doesn't mean you must be a vocational minister. But it does mean that you belong to the Lord and you seek His glory, no matter what line of work you are in. Priscilla and Aquila give us a stellar example of quiet, steady faithfulness in the face of persecution. We too should long to serve the Lord and care nothing for self-glory. May God be glorified in our lives, as we are increasingly forgotten. Let Christ shine forth, and others see Him rather than us.

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Note: To hear an audio sermon on Priscilla and Aquila, CLICK HERE.

 

To Fear or Not To Fear?....That Is The Question

By Shane Kastler

To fear or not to fear? That is the question. Does the Bible command us to be afraid or encourage us to be courageous? The answer is not as easy as you might think. Several passages speak against fear. For example, 1 John 4:17 says “perfect love casts out fear.” Paul told Timothy that God has not given us “a spirit of fear.” (2 Tim 1:7)  And Jesus told the disciples: “Fear not little flock, for it is the Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom.” (Luke 12:32)

So how do we reconcile these admonitions against fear with something like Hebrews 4:1 that says: “Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.” (Hebrews 4:1) The ultimate answer to this potentially tough question is rooted in how you view Scripture as a whole. For example, if you have a low regard for the Bible you might simply say both passages are wrong. Or you might say one is wrong and one is right; thus proving an apparent contradiction. But this is to take the easy way out. Trashing the Bible is not hard for an unbeliever to do. But proving the Bible legitimately deserves to be trashed is impossible to do. So let us reconcile these passages in such a way that gives justice to the text and makes sense to the renewed mind (Rom. 12:2).

First of all, each passage that uses the word “fear” would have to be examined in context. What is it that we are told to fear or not fear? Depending upon the context the answers could vary. A flippant approach that treats every passage exactly alike just because it uses the word “fear” is certain to lead to erroneous conclusions.

Secondly, the Bible repeatedly exhorts us to have a reverential awe, or fear of the Lord (Prov. 9:10). He's not depicted as a harmless kitten, He is depicted as a bold Lion (Rev. 5:5). So to say “let us fear” is a perfectly normal reaction toward God. Furthermore, some of those being addressed in the book of Hebrews might not even be genuine believers. Some of them professed to be Christians, but apparently their lifestyle said otherwise. There had been repeated warnings through the book of Hebrews to “take heed” (Heb. 3:12) and to not “harden your heart” against God's truth (Heb. 3:7).

If you are “in Christ” then you have no one to fear except for God. If you are not “in Christ” then you have much to fear, even though you might not realize it. But to try and mix those two categories is utterly terrifying. To think yourself to be a believer, when in fact you are not --- THIS is to be feared. And this is what the author of Hebrews is referring to. Failing to enter the rest that Christ provides, while a promise of it still remains. Indeed, this should be feared.

In order to live a courageous Christian life, you must first genuinely be a Christian. The Bible warns the unbeliever of the perils of rejecting Christ. Repent or perish! (Luke 13:5) The Bible also exhorts the professing believer to examine their life (2 Cor. 13:5) and make their “calling and election sure” (2 Pet. 1:10). If you refuse to follow the Scriptural counsel on these matters then you have much to fear. If you heed the Biblical warnings and find that the evidence leads to your knowing and loving Jesus then you have much to be joyful about. And this great joy is rooted in a reverent fear that believers have for their Lord, Savior, Judge, and King. Fear the Lord! Then rejoice and relax that because of Him, you need not ever fear anyone else.

(NOTE: For a more in depth, audio treatment of this subject; listen to my recent sermon entitled "Entering His Rest" --- found here).

My Interview With Blake White on New Covenant Theology

By Shane Kastler

On our March 27th edition of "Church & State" on KELB radio; I interviewed pastor and author Blake White about New Covenant Theology.  Blake serves as pastor of Spicewood Baptist Church in Spicewood, TX and is the author of several books including: New Covenant Theology: An Introduction; The Newness of the New Covenant; Galatians: A Theological Interpretation; The Law of Christ: A Theological Proposal; and The Abrahamic Promises in Galatians.  In this interview we cover such topics as: The temporary nature of the Law of Moses; why the Sabbath is no longer binding; what Jesus meant when he said he "fulfilled the Law"; why the Law should not be divided into categories; and the primacy of the New Testament over the Old Testament.

To listen or download the audio click here.

Blake is also scheduled to speak at Heritage Baptist Church at our Bible Conference, in June. For more information on that click here.

Finally, if you would like to listen to the interview on our "Sermon Audio" page, click here.

A Trilogy on the Trinity (3 Audio Messages)

While preaching through John, I recently did a 3 part "mini-series" within the series on "Understanding the Trinity."  The audio links to the 3 messages are below:

Sermon 1:  Title: Understanding The Trinity (Part 1): The Father & The Son - Text: John 14:7-15

 

Sermon 2: Title: Understanding The Trinity (Part 2): The Holy Spirit - Text: John 14:16-18

 

Sermon 3: Title: Understanding The Trinity (Part 3:  The Trinity, The Christian, & The World - Text: John 14:19-26

 

-- Shane Kastler, Heritage Baptist Church, Lake Charles, LA

www.hbc-lakecharles.com.

Messages By Guest Preachers at Heritage Baptist Church in Lake Charles, LA

For sermons by Blake White and Ron McKinney from the 2014 Bible Conference, CLICK HERE.

 

Title: The Model Prayer - Text: Matt. 6:9-13 - By Lucas Moncado - Date: 4.21.13 (Morning Service)

 

Title:  The Narrow & Wide Gates (Pt. 2) – Text: Matt. 7:13-14 – By Robert Haling – Date: 7.22.12 (Evening Service)

 

Title: The Narrow & Wide Gates (Pt. 1) – Text: Matt. 7:13-14 – By Robert Haling – Date: 7.22.12 (Morning Service)

 

Title:  Faith Without Works Is Dead – Text: James 2 – By Nathan Fontaine -  Date: 7.15.12 (Evening Service)

 

Title:  The Forgiving God & The Blessed Man – Text: Psalm 32 – By Nathan Fontaine – Date: 7.15.12 (Morning Service)

Title: Ordinary Missionaries – Text: Col. 4:7-18 – By David Miller – Date: 4.29.12

 

Title: The Glory of Jesus – Text: John 1:14-18 – By David Miller – Date: 4.28.12

 

Title: Substitution & Satisfaction (Part 2) – Text: Isa. 53 – By David Miller – Date: 4.27.12

 

Title: Substitution & Satisfaction – Text: Isa. 53 – By David Miller – Date: 4.26.12

 

Title: Imputed Righteousness – Text: 2 Cor. 5:11-21 – By Ron McKinney – Date: 4.22.12

 

Title:  Hezekiah’s Prayer – Text: Isaiah 37 – By Nathan Fontaine – Date: 1.8.12

 

Title: Message from Colossians 1 – By Lucas Moncada – Date: 1.1.12

 

Title: True Disciples Follow the King – Text: Luke 9:23-25 – Date: 10.16.11

 

Title: Why You Exist – (Hamilton Christian Academy Chapel Service) – Date: 10.14.11 By Shane Kastler

 

TITLE: Message By Carl Carragan – Date: 10.2.11

 

TITLE: Message By Billy Andrews – Date: 9.25.11

 

TITLE: Missionaries of Christ - Text: Matt. 28:18-20 - Date: 6/19/11 (Sun. Eve.)

 

TITLE: God's Global Purpose (By Dr. James Roberts) - Text: Various - Date: 6/19/11

 

Title: Jesus Heals (By Jonathan Pledger)- Text: Mark 3 - Date: 6/5/11

 

Title: Paul's Prayer for the Saints (By James Lanier) - Text: Colossians 1:9-15 - Date: 6/5/11 (Eve. Service)

 

Installation Service for Shane Kastler, Heritage Baptist Church, Lake Charles, LA - Speakers: Mitch Axsom & Billy Andrews

 

 

Audio Sermons from Shane Kastler of Heritage Baptist Church, Lake Charles, LA

 

Messages from The Gospel of John

(For most recent sermons, CLICK HERE)

Title:  Is This Not The Christ? – Text: John 7:25-44 – Date: 9.2.12

Title: Jesus Teaches In The Temple – Text: John 7:14-24 – Date: 8.26.12

Title: Christ Divides:  The Growing Division Over Jesus – Text: John 7:1-13 – Date: 8.19.12

Title: Following Christ vs. Falling Away – Text: John 6:66-71 – Date: 8.12.12

Title:  Eating Flesh & Drinking Blood – Text: John 6:52-66 – Date: 8.5.12

Title:  The True Bread of Life – Text: John 6:41-51 – Date: 7.29.12

 

Title: God’s Work of Salvation – Text: John 6:28-40 – Date: 7.8.12

 

Title: Jesus Walks on Water – Text: John 6:16-27 – Date: 7.1.12

 

Title: Jesus Feeds the 5000 – Text: John 6:1-15 – Date: 6.24.12

 

Title: The Unbeliever’s Plight – Text: John 5:39-47 – Date: 6.17.12

 

Title:  The Father Testifies & The Sinner Rejects – Text: John 5:30-38 – Date: 6.10.12

 

Title: The Dead Who Hear – Text: John 5:25-29 – Date: 6.3.12

 

Title: The Father & The Son – Text: John 5:19-24 – Date: 5.27.12

 

Title: Jesus Heals at Bethesda on the Sabbath – Text: John 5:1-18 – Date: 5.20.12

 

Title:  Jesus Heals an Official’s Son – Text: John 4:46-54 -  Date: 5.13.12

 

Title: From Worship To Witness – Text: John 4:39-45 – Date: 5.6.12

 

Title: The White Fields of Harvest – Text: John 4:27-38 – Date: 4.15.12

 

Title: Jesus & The Samaritan Woman – Text: John 4:15-26 – Date: 4.8.12

 

Title: Living Water – Text: John 4:1-14 – Date: 4.1.12

 

Title: The Testimony of Christ – Text: John 3:31-36 – Date: 3.25.12

 

Title: He Must Increase, I Must Decrease – Text: John 3:22-30 – Date: 3.18.12

 

Title: Condemnation & Salvation – Text: John 3:18-21 – Date: 3.11.12

 

Title: Why Jesus Came to Earth – Text: John 3:11-17 – Date: 3.4.12

 

Title: You Must Be Born Again – Text: John 3:1-10 – Date: 2.26.12

 

Title: Phony Faith vs. Real Faith – Text: John 2:23-25 – Date: 2.19.12

 

Title: Zeal For Thy House: Jesus Cleanses The Temple – Text: John 2:13-22 – Date: 2.12.12

 

Title: Jesus’ First Miracle: Water Into Wine – Text: John 2:1-12 – Date: 2.5.12

 

Title: How Jesus Saved His First Disciples – Text: John 1:35-51 – Date: 1.29.12

 

Title: Behold the Lamb of God! – Text: John 1:29-34 – Date: 1.15.12

 

Title: John the Baptist – Who He Was & Who He Wasn’t – John 1:19-28 -Date: 12.18.11

 

Title: And The Word Became Flesh – Text: John 1:14-18 – Date: 12.11.11

 

Title: Jesus Rejected & Received – Text: John 1:9-13 – Date: 12.4.11

 

Title: Jesus – The Living Word of God – Text: John 1:1-8 – Date: 11.27.11

 

Messages from The Life of David

Title:  David & Mephibosheth – Mercy to the Helpless – Text: 2 Sam. 9 – Date: 9.2.12

 

Title:  God Makes David Great – Text: 2 Sam. 8 – Date: 8.26.12

 

Title: God’s Promise & David’s Prayer – Text: 2 Sam. 7 – Date: 8.19.12

 

Title: Moving The Ark To Jerusalem – Text: 2 Sam. 6 – Date: 8.5.12

 

Title: A Murder, A Move, & A Military Conquest – Text: 2 Sam. 4&5 – Date: 7.29.12

 

Title: David & Abner: Uniting the Kingdom – Text: 2 Sam. 3 – Date: 7.1.12

 

Title: David Becomes King of Judah – Text: 2 Sam. 2 – Date: 6.17.12

 

Title: David Mourns Saul & Jonathan – Text: 2 Sam. 1 – Date: 5.27.12

 

Title: The Death of Saul & His Sons – Text: 1 Sam. 31 – Date: 5.13.12

 

Title: David & The Amalekites: From Tragedy To Triumph – Text: 1 Sam. 30 – Date: 4.29.12

 

Title: David Rejected By Philistine Commanders – Text: 1 Sam. 29 – Date: 4.22.12

 

Title: Saul & The Witch of Endor – Text: 1 Sam. 28 – Date: 4.15.12

 

Title: David Moves To Philistia – Text: 1 Sam. 27 – Date: 4.1.12

 

Title: David Spares Saul Again – Text: 1 Sam. 26 – Date: 3.25.12

 

Title: David, Nabal, & Abigail – Text: 1 Sam. 25 – Date: 3.18.12

 

Title: David Spares Saul’s Life – Text: 1 Sam. 24 – Date: 3.4.12

 

Title: David at Keilah & Ziph – Text: 1 Sam. 23 – Date: 2.26.12

 

Title: Saul Slays The Priests of Nob – Text: 1 Sam. 22 – Date: 2.19.12

 

Title: David at Nob & Gath – Text: 1 Sam. 21 – Date: 2.5.12

 

Title: David & Jonathan: True Friendship – Text: 1 Sam. 20 – Date: 1.19.12

 

Title: David Enters Saul’s Family – Text: 1 Sam. 18 – Date: 12.18.11

 

Title: David vs. Goliath (Pt. 3) – Text: 1 Sam. 17:38-58 – Date: 12.4.11

 

Title: David vs. Goliath (Pt. 2) – Text: 1 Sam. 17:24-37 – Date: 11.27.11

 

Title:  David vs. Goliath (Pt. 1) – Text: 1 Sam. 17:1-23 – Date: 11.6.11

 

Title:  Serving the King Under the Sovereignty of God – Text: 1 Sam. 16:14-23 – Date: 10.30.11

 

Title: Anointed as the Future King – Text: 1 Samuel 16:1-13 – Date: 10.23.11

 

Messages on Thanksgiving:

Title: Zacchaeus – Thankful for the Lord’s Salvation – Text: Luke 19:1-10 – Date: 11.20.11

Title: Thankful for the Father’s Perfect Will – Text: Luke 10:21 – Date: 11.13.11

Title: Thankful for God’s Mercy – Text: Luke 17:11-19 – Date: 11.6.11

Title: Joyful Sheep of a Perfect Shepherd – Text: Psalm 100:1-3 – Date: 10.30.11

 

Messages From 1 Peter:

Title: Faithful To The End – Text: 1 Peter 5:12-14 – Date: 10.23.11

 

Title: Trusting God in Trying Times – Text: 1 Peter 5:6-11 – Date: 10.16.11

 

Title:  Shepherding God’s Sheep – Text: 1 Peter 5:1-4 – Date: 10.9.11

 

Title: Judgment For All – Text: 1 Peter 4:17-21 – Date: 9.18.11

 

 Title: Fiery Trials – Text: 1 Peter 4:12-16 - Date: 9.11.11

 

Title: The Church in the Last Days – Text: 1 Peter 4:7-11 – Date: 9.4.11

 

Title: Those Peculiar Christians – Text: 1 Peter 4:3-6 – Date: 8.28.11

 

Title: Sanctified By Suffering - Text: 1 Peter 4:1-2 - Date: 8.14.11

 

TITLE: The Victorious Death of Jesus - Text: 1 Peter 3:18-22 - Date: 8.7.11

 

TITLE: When You're Wronged For Being Righteous - Text: 1 Peter 3:13-17 - Date: 7.31.11

 

TITLE: What the Good Life Really Is - Text: 1 Peter 3:10-12 - Date: 7.24.11

 

TITLE: What All Christians Should Be - Text: 1 Peter 3:8-9 - Date: 7/17/11

 

TITLE: Honorable Husbands - Text: 1 Peter 3:7 - Date: 7/10/11

 

Title: The Rare Jewel of a Submissive Wife - Text: 1 Peter 3:1-6 - Date: 7/3/11

 

TITLE: Suffering Unjustly - Text: 1 Peter 2:18-25 - Date: 6/26/11

 

TITLE: Christians & The Government - Text:1 Peter 2:13-17 - Date: 6/12/11

 

TITLE: Saved People In a Lost World - Text: 1 Peter 2:11-12 - Date: 5/29/11

 

TITLE: Christ & His People (Part 2) - Text: 1 Peter 2:9-10 - Date: 5/22/11

 

TITLE: Christ & His People - Text: 1 Peter 2:4-8 - Date: 5/15/11

 

TITLE: The Power of God's Word - Text: 1 Peter 2:1-3 - Date: 5/8/11

 

TITLE: Brotherly Love in the Church - Text: 1 Peter 1:22-25 - Date: 5-1-11

 

TITLE: Revering The Redeemer - Text: 1 Peter 1:18-21 - Date: 4/17/11

 

TITLE: The Reverent Fear of God - Text: 1 Peter 1:17-21 - Date: 4/10/11

 

TITLE: Christianity Applied: Living as Exiles on Earth - Text: 1 Peter 1:13-16 - Date: 4/3/11

 

TITLE: Christ In The Old Testament - Text: 1 Peter 1:10-12 - Date: 3/20/11

 

TITLE: Worshipping the Unseen Christ - Text: 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Date: 3-13-11

 

TITLE: The Nature of Saving Faith - Text: 1 Peter 1:6-7 - Date: 3-6-11

 

TITLE: The Miracle of the New Birth - Text: 1 Peter 1:3-5 - Date: 2/27/11

 

TITLE: Elect Exiles - The People of God In a World Not There Own - TEXT: 1 Peter 1:1-2 - DATE: 2-20-11

 

 

Messages on The Seven Churches of Revelation

TITLE: Laodicea: An Indictment on the American Church –Text: Rev. 3:14-22 – Date: 9.18.11

 

TITLE: Philadelphia – A Church of True Believers – Text: Rev. 3;7-11 – Date: 9.4.11

 

TITLE: Sardis – The Dead Church – Text: Revelation 3:1-6 – Date: 8.28.11

 

TITLE: Thyatira: The Judgment of Jezebel - Text: Revelation 2:17-29 - Date: 8.7.11 (Sun. Evening)

 

TITLE: Pergamum - Commitment or Compromise? Text: Revelation 2:12-17 - Date: 7.31.11 (Sun. Evening)

 

TITLE: Smyrna - Martyred to the Glory of God - Text: Revelation 2:8-11 - Date: 7.24.11 (Sun. Eve.)

 

Title: Ephesus- A Lesson in Truth & Love (Pt. 2) - Text: Revelation 2:1-7 - Date: 7/3/11 (Sun. Eve.)

 

TITLE: Ephesus - A Lesson in Truth & Love - Text: Revelation 2:1-7 - Date: 6/26/11 (Sun. Eve.)

 

 

 

Messages from Jonah:

TITLE: Sovereignty & Grace - Jonah's Lesson - Text: Jonah 4:5-11 - Date: 5/29/11

 

TITLE: Pride & Anger-Jonah's Sins - Text: Jonah 4:1-4 - Date: 5/22/11 (Sun. Evening)

 

TITLE: Repent or Perish: Jonah's Message - Text: Jonah 3:1-10 - Date: 5/15/11 (Eve. Service)

 

TITLE: Pause & Plead: Jonah's Prayer - Text: Jonah 2:1-10 - Date: 5/8/11 (Sun. Eve.)

 

TITLE: Turn & Run - Jonah's Flight - Text: Jonah 1:10-17 - Date: 5-1-11 (Evening Service)

 

TITLE: Go & Tell: Jonah's Calling - Text: Jonah 1:1-10 - Date: 4/17/11 (Sun. Evening)

 

 

Messages on The Doctrines of Grace:

TITLE: The Truth of TULIP – Why Jesus Was a Calvinist – Text: Various – Date: 8.21.11

 

TITLE: The Doctrine of Total Depravity: Why Sinners Won't Believe - Text: Various - Date: 2/27/11 (Eve. Service)

 

TITLE: The Doctrine of Unconditional Election - Text: Ephesians 1:3-6 - Date: 3-6-11 (Sun. Evening)

 

TITLE: The Doctrine of Limited Atonement: The Lamb Who Died for the Sheep - Text: Various - Date: 3/13/11

 

TITLE: Irresistible Grace: "All The Father Gives Me Will Come" - Text: John 6:37 - Date: 3/20/11(Sun. Evening)

 

TITLE: Perseverance of the Saints - Text: John 10:27-30 - Date: 3/27/11 (Sun. Evening)

 

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Audio Sermon: The Christian Salvation of Nathan Bedford Forrest - By Shane Kastler

My speech at the 2012 Sons of Confederate Veterans National Convention was not recorded to my knowledge. However, 2 days prior to the event I gave a very similar message on the Christian salvation of Nathan Bedford Forrest.  The message was given at Kinsey Drive Baptist Church in Dalton, Georgia. The link is below:

Title: The Christian Salvation of Nathan Bedford Forrest - By Shane Kastler - Date: 7.11.12

(Note: For a more in depth study of Forrest's spiritual life read my book "Nathan Bedford Forrest's Redemption" (Pelican Publishing Co, 2010)

Sermon Audio of Robert Haling & Nathan Fontaine (Heritage Baptist, Lake Charles) July 2012

(Click on the links to listen. Right click to download. Also available at www.hbc-lakecharles.com)

 

Title:  The Narrow & Wide Gates (Pt. 2) – Text: Matt. 7:13-14 – By Robert Haling – Date: 7.22.12 (Evening Service)

Title: The Narrow & Wide Gates (Pt. 1) – Text: Matt. 7:13-14 – By Robert Haling – Date: 7.22.12 (Morning Service)

Title:  Faith Without Works Is Dead – Text: James 2 – By Nathan Fontaine -  Date: 7.15.12 (Evening Service)

Title:  The Forgiving God & The Blessed Man – Text: Psalm 32 – By Nathan Fontaine – Date: 7.15.12 (Morning Service)

Audio To David Miller Sermons

Below is the sermon audio to the 4 sermons preached by David Miller at Heritage Baptist Church in Lake Charles, LA.  More info and sermons available at www.hbc-lakecharles.com.

Title: Ordinary Missionaries – Text: Col. 4:7-18 – By David Miller –
Date: 4.29.12

Title: The Glory of Jesus – Text: John 1:14-18 – By David Miller –
Date: 4.28.12

Title: Substitution & Satisfaction (Part 2) – Text: Isa. 53 – By David Miller – Date: 4.27.12

Title: Substitution & Satisfaction – Text: Isa. 53 – By David Miller – Date: 4.26.12

Church & State Audio for November 17, 2011

Below is the audio links for Church and State from Nov. 17, 2011.  The guest for hour 1 was Jerry Macelle, retired Professor of History at McNeese State University. He currently teaches Church History at Cornerstone University.  Hour 2 we were joined by Barry McCall, owner of KELB radio.

Church & State, 11-17-2011, KELB Radio, 100.5, Hour 1, with Nathan Curtis, Shane Kastler, & Jerry Macelle

Church & State, 11-17-2011, KELB Radio, 100.5, Hour 2 with Nathan Curtis, Shane Kastler, Jerry Macelle, and Barry McCall